Date: 2022-08-24
Time:
1030 - 1200 PDT
1730 - 1900 UTC
1830 - 2000 BST
Zoom Meeting Details
Topic: SNOMED Editorial Advisory Group Conference Call
Time: Aug 24, 2022 10:30 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada)
Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android:
https://snomed.zoom.us/j/82308626971?pwd=MDBrbHNBOGpKUWluSUNhREVlZGpDdz09
Password: 039038
Meeting ID: 823 0862 6971
Password: 039038
International numbers available: https://snomed.zoom.us/u/kwBFZqZ4E
Attendees
Chair:
AG Members
- Alejandro Lopez Osornio (ex officio)
- Keith Campbell
- Jeremy Rogers
- Monique van Berkum
- James R. Campbell
- Jeffrey Pierson
- Paul Amos (ex officio)
Invitees
Observers
Apologies:
Meeting Files:
Meeting minutes:
The call recording is located here.
Objectives
- Obtain consensus on agenda items
Discussion items
Item | Description | Owner | Notes | Action |
---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Call to order and role call | This meeting is being recorded to ensure that important discussion points are not missed in the minutes. The recording will be available to the SNOMED International community. Joining the meeting by accepting the Zoom prompt declares that you have no objection to your comments being recorded |
| |
2 | Conflicts of interest and agenda review | None noted. | ||
8 | Measurement Findings: Proposed changes to FSNs | Paul Amos |
Decisions to date:
Discussion: It is agreed that the replacement of FSNs is less destructive than inactivation and replacement of concepts. This is only relevant where current content is modeled with above and below reference range. Concepts that are inherently ambiguous are still used in clinical recording. Adding forced meaning to these might make them less useful. Suggested to identify these concepts using a refset that they are problematic from an interpretation point of view. This project was an effort to reduce the ambiguity of existing concepts to ensure clarity of meaning. Retention of ambiguous content may provide clinical recording simplicity but may be in conflict with precision. There is a conflict between the utterances used in clinical recording and the desire to provide structured analytical data. The issue may be exposed when looking at new technologies that go from speech to text to coding... Suggested that the ambiguity can be resolved by using other "imprecise" terms such as "increased" for "above reference range" and "increasing" for "increased relative to prior measurement". Alternative description types may assist in representing broader or ambiguous descriptions. Another suggestion is to allow for these imprecise concepts, but mark them as such within the terminology. Decision: Topic not completed. Carried over to next meeting. | |
Reactivation guidance | Jim Case | In the course of reterming FSNs as part of the Quality Improvement project, there are occurrences where the change in the FSN to conform to editorial policy results in a validation error identifying an inactive concept with the same FSN. The error is: An FSN must be unique within all active FSNs across all concepts. This term already exists against inactive concept <SCTID>. There had been general guidance provided for this that the inactivated concept with the proper FSN would be reactivated and replace the concept with the improper FSN; however, in many cases this would result in frustration for users, as it would result in the inactivation and replacement of a concept with the concept that it replaced in the first place. Recognizing the need to minimize the impact on users, it is important to take into account the fact that time plays an important role in which concept to inactivate and which one to retain. One consideration is which term has had the "greater opportunity" to be used in health records. This includes when a concept was introduced into the terminology, how long it was active and when it was inactivated. Guidance is needed for instances where duplicate FSNs are created as part of the reterming of active concepts to align with the quality improvement project. Options include:
| ||
Modeling of "Palsy" concepts | Paul Amos | |||
10 | AOB | EAG | ||
11 | Next meeting | EAG | TBD | |