Minutes part 1

Minutes part 2

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Question from editors: "Anybody aware if there is guideline for using numbers vs. of Roman numerals? I can't find any related item in the current version of the ED guideline."

A search of PubMed for "phase II antibodies" yielded numerous results related to Coxiella burnettii serology assays. A similar search for "Phase 2 antibodies" yielded no equivalent representations for other assays.

Prior discussion related to Diabetes mellitus: Inconsistent use of Arabic/Roman numerals in Diabetes

• Gain consensus on use of arabic or roman numerals in FSNS

The purpose of this discussion is to inform the EAG of the current status of clinical genomic projects within IHTSDO and to gain insight from the EAG as to priorities and potential resources for input to the overall IHTSDO genomics strategy, including scope, alignment with external standards, sources of truth, level of granularity, etc.

See attached Powerpoint file

Update needed: There are specific use cases that more appropriately require the use of concepts from the Product hierarchy. The current approach has been to create matching Substances to allow for sufficient modeling, but in many cases this does not make sense and creates duplicate meanings.

E.g. Adverse reaction to product; Allergy to food product, etc.

• Develop editorial guidelines for use of Products as target for CAUSATIVE AGENT relationships
• Request Technical services to extend the range of CAUSATIVE AGENT attribute to include Products

• Final agreement on the model for surgical complications/sequellae
• Editorial guidance for combined disorders (BGO)
• Editorial guidance on Allergy to substance
• Editorial guidance on complications/sequellae

This chapter of ICD-11 primarily contains accidents and events categorized by nature, participant, role, location, etc. Following multiple discussions within the ICD-11 project group about the value of adding these concepts (approximately 5000 to be considered), advice is sought about the clinical usefulness of events to this level of detail. Recommendation options include:

• Deem out of scope for international release
• All all "missing" concepts (some semantically equivalent concepts already exist in the International release)
• Determine a subset of "clinically useful" terms and add them to the international release

All of the concepts in question would be added as subtypes of Event (event) and would be primitive.

See attached document

• Recommend editorial policy on acceptance of external cause concepts

Care plans Care plans - what are they ontologically?

Initial discussion brief: https://jira.ihtsdotools.org/secure/attachment/18619/artf222780_Discussion_Plans.docx

See attached document.

FHIR resources representing aspects of care plans:

• https://www.hl7.org/fhir/careplan.html
• https://www.hl7.org/fhir/goal.html
• https://www.hl7.org/fhir/referralrequest.html

The OBI has done some work in this area (Planning) and defines planning as an information artifact that can at some point be "concretized". One question we have WRT the representation of plans in SNOMED is what we are talking about when we say "Plan". Are we talking about the process of planning, the information contained within the plan, the realization of the plan as a record artifact or the execution of the plan thorough a set of processes?

A "Plan specification" as defined by OBI (Plan Specification) is "A directive information entity with action specifications and objective specifications as parts that, when concretized, is realized in a process in which the bearer tries to achieve the objectives by taking the actions specified."

ISO Standard related to this topic ISO 13940-1 (available for purchase)

• Gain consensus on position within terminology
• Develop fast track to resolve internal issue.

Link to Fast track Angiogram

Current editorial guidance for "Arteriography of X" concepts recommends the addition of "Arteriogram of X".

7.8.4 Magnetic resonance imaging - "...It was agreed that the use of near synonyms is acceptable for these procedures (i.e. angiogram/arteriogram)."

7.8.8 Fluoroscopy imaging -

Fluoroscopic arteriography
Descriptions:
FSN: Fluoroscopic arteriography of X (procedure)
PT: Arteriography of X
Synonym: Arteriogram of X
Synonym: Angiography of X
Synonym: Angiogram of X

An arteriogram is the output of the procedure and is more akin to a record artifact than a procedure. Question from the editorial team is whether this guidance is still acceptable due to a large number of requests in this area.?

•  Get consensus on whether to maintain current guidance on synonymy for "arteriography" concepts or revise to reflect the "information object" nature of "-gram"

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