Date: 2021-10-19
Time:
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Topic: SNOMED Editorial Advisory Group
Time: Oct 19, 2021 09:00 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada)
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Discussion items
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1 | Call to order and role call | This meeting is being recorded to ensure that important discussion points are not missed in the minutes. The recording will be available to the SNOMED International community. If a majority of participants object to recording, only written minutes will be available, otherwise, anyone objecting to recording is requested to exit the meeting. |
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2 | Conflicts of interest and agenda review | None stated. | ||
3 | Accomplishments of EAG | Jim Case | The following is a list of recommendations from the EAG that have been implemented in SNOMED CT since October 2020:
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5 | ECE Topics | Bruce Goldberg | Osteoarthritis: A majority of descendants of Osteoarthritis (disorder) are not kinds of osteoarthritis. Model needs to be revised. Discussion: 2021-09-22 Bruce Goldbergpresented a discussion related to deposition and degeneration. Recommended moving Deposition out from under Degeneration. Osteoarthritis has multiple child concepts that are not considered to be osteoarthritis. This is due to the current definition of Osteoarthritis. Current thought is that osteoarthritis is more than just degeneration of the joint. It is a complex disorder. Because of the complexity is it not possible to SD Osteoarthritis. Proposed remodeling will move hundreds of inappropriate concepts out from under Osteoarthritis. Suggest creating new morphology = Inflammatory degeneration. The inflammatory aspect of this disorder is variable, but it is considered an arthritis, which requires an inflammatory morphology. Some comment that common use of arthritis (inflammatory) and osteoarthritis do not consider them related. Need a common parent for osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis? As this is a high use area of content, we must carefully consider the impact on users. Suggested that there be a site where the impact of the proposed changes can be viewed. Will bring this up to the technical team to determine options for interim viewing. Discussion: Should spondylosis be a subtype of Osteoarthritis? Literature uses spondylosis synonymously with osteoarthritis of spine. Ankylosing spondylitis is a subtype of arthritis, but osteoarthritis is not modeled as an arthritis. What is the result of moving spondylosis out from under osteoarthritis? The literature is mixed as to whether it is an arthritis or osteoarthritis. It is often described as a disorder of spine (bony structure). Can be viewed as an end stage of chronic arthritis with no remaining inflammatory component? Do we agree that spondylosis is a degenerative disorder. Decision: Will be modeled as a degenerative disorder out from under osteoarthritis using a morphology of "degeneration". Will create a combined morphology of "inflammatory degeneration" to support the remodeling of osteoarthritis. Results of remodeling will be made available to the EAG members. Potential to make this available via the TS browser. | Deposition_degeration_osteoarthritis.pptx
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6 | Complication remodeling | Jim Case | Issues have arisen with the remodeling of subtypes of 116223007 |Complication (disorder)|, based on earlier agreed decisions from EAG. Proposal for revision of the “Complication” hierarchy Based on agreed proposals, editorial guide will need to be updated. Discussion: Decision: Consensus is to proceed with the modeling recommendations as described in the accompanying document. | |
7 | Maternal vs. fetal periods of life | See attached document for review: Modeling issues related to maternal periods Complications related to pregnancy Discussion: Decision: | ||
8 | Review of requirement for external editors | Jim Case | A draft document for review that outlines the requirements for external editors (non-SNOMED staff) to work within the International release is available for review. This document will also be provided to the Member Forum and the CMAG. 2021-10-18: Comments received from four member countries of the CMAG, all positive. Request for more detail in some areas of the document. Requirements for external editors of SNOMED CT International Release Discussion: Decision: | |
9 | X (person) vs. X of subject (person) | Jim Case | A question from a member country on when to use "X (person)" vs. "X of subject (person)" has exposed issues with determination of equivalence in information models that either split the relationship from the condition vs. using a precoordinated Situation concept to represent the SUBJECT RELATIONSHIP CONTEXT. Discussion: Decision: | |
10 | Late addition: Induced termination of pregnancy (disorder) | Jim Case | Freshdesk ticket from member country: "Our expert group have questioned the concepts 57797005 |Induced termination of pregnancy (disorder)| and all the child concepts as to why these are in the ‘disorder’ hierarchy as they are actually procedures? I actually agree, it seems a bit strange? There are synonyms as ‘termination of pregnancy’ which insinuates a procedure and that are the same as 386639001 |Termination of pregnancy (procedure)| which sits in the procedure hierarchy." This hierarchy includes 196 concepts, which fall into the following categories
Most of these have been in SNOMED since the 20020231 release. Questions:
Discussion: Decision: | |
11 | AOB | EAG | ||
12 | Next meeting | EAG | ||