2023-10-25 - Translation User Group Meeting (Atlanta)

Ole Våge / Rutt Lindström 

Rutt Lindström: There is Latin in the international edition. However, it is marked as English, so it is difficult to tell the difference between Latin and English unless it is done manually. Latin terms have been copied and pasted in the Estonian language reference set, where it has been marked as Estonian, which is equally wrong. This also happens in other languages.

The issue is not new, but now there seems to be a community effort to create a community content with Latin for everyone.

Ole Våge: Interested parties in creating Latin content: Netherlands, Estonia and Norway. In Norway, Latin is mainly used in body structure hierarchy, while it is also used in the organism hierarchy in some languages.

STEFAN SCHULZ : In German, Latin is used in body structure and conditions (differences between Germany and Austria). Latin is not used in the English body structure hierarchy. Important reference: Terminologia Anatomica.

François Macary : There is need for Latin in the organism hierarchy (microorganisms) in the Common French translation. In the Common French language reference set we are able to add descriptions from the US English reference set, so the same would apply for Latin. The Common French also rely on Terminologia Anatomica.

Camilla Wiberg Danielsen : Some Latin in the body structure hierarchy and in organisms. But it differs from specialty to specialty. But what is the use case for marking descriptions in Latin?

Frank Geier : Important, quite a lot of work for the German and Austrian NRCs. A lot of copy and paste, a lot to maintain, so a Latin language reference set would be useful. Germany would like to join a project group. But what about the hybrid forms?

Ole Våge : We leave hybrid forms out. Regarding user case, there is a need for new countries doing translations to access descriptions which are Latin from “a reservoir”/language reference set, and these should therefore be marked as Latin. Another user case would be QA of existing Latin content for countries which already have Latin in their language reference sets.

STEFAN SCHULZ : Do we just consider Latin terms as loan words? Like English terms. There should be a common source, and the criteria should be straight: It is the same word used in several languages. Hybrid words are no longer of interest.

Ole Våge : Should we start with a pilot?

Rutt Lindström : Action points from Manages Service, Snomed International volunteered to start the assessment of how much Latin there is in the international edition.

Ole Våge : First look at what Snomed Int provides, and then look at it. We have to create a project group: Netherlands, Estonia, Norway, Germany. The following countries can´t contribute actively, but would be interested: Denmark

STEFAN SCHULZ : One approach is to take the English and Spanish versions of the description tables and filtered out what was identical in the organism hierarchy. These would be loan words such as Latin. Can provide a list if deemed useful.

Camilla Wiberg Danielsen : How to present it? Should there be preferred terms in Latin, should there be a namespace for itself?

Ole Våge : Each country decides how to represent it in their own language reference set. But Latin in a community browser?

Maria-Cornelia Wermuth : Latin should be the preferred term according to international language guidelines.

Ole Våge will reach out to Snomed Int. regarding how to do this

Ole Våge  will create a project group and invite interested members.

Frank Geier  

Ole have a second look at "neck", and will pick ready issues and send to Katharine Priest  for publishing

The Recommendation is using caret ^ for superscript and greather/less than <> for superscript. Also unicode. Problem: For the current tooling it doesn´t work. Exotic characters are not wanted, according to Editorial Advisory Group. In translation, however, super-/subscript is allowed. -Issue has been raised in the German translation user group.

Maria-Cornelia Wermuth : Translation guidelines follow Editorial Guide. 

François Macary  :Common French don´t deal with super-/subscript

Ole Våge : Maybe we should revisit the guidelines

Ole Våge will put the item on text meetings agenda