Mental and Behavioural Health Clinical Reference Group

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Mental and Behavioural Health CRG

Date

November 9, 2020

Attendees

Apologies

Discussion items

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1

Clinical findings hierarchies containing concepts describing physical symptoms with no known underlying physiologic explanation. These findings are typically qualified using the following terms:

  • somatoform
  • psychogenic
  • conversion
  • hysterical
  • functional
    • dissociative

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2

Discussed opportunities for stronger collaboration between SNOMED and APA


Discussed issues related to APA copyrights.

  • Can we  educate APA about SNOMED -  what it is, what it isn’t?
    • Value proposition of SNOMED to APA
  • Discussed defining exactly what it is we (MABH-CRG) are asking APA for
    • Michael First noted that this is what APA wanted, and has worked towards with ICD
      • Need to spell out permissions explicitly
    • Group recognized the need to educate APA about SNOMED
  • Elaine Wooler raised the example of: terms somatic symptom disorder and the term bodily distress disorder
  • Monica Harry noted that attribution is not allowed in SNOMED

Action items

  • Complete one or two sections completely
  • Develop a PPT presentation for APA
    • Highlight the DSM terms – allow APA to see the end product and use cases

3

Discussed term "functional disorder"




The following model represents the groups understanding of how these concepts are used clinically at least in the US:


4

What does it mean to say a concept is internationally accepted?


We need buy-in from folks from other countries, but CRG currently largely comprised of folks from the US. 

  • Does ICD11 represent the international perspective?
  • Does DSM5 represent the US perspective only?

5Meeting Summary


Meeting Files

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