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Date and time

2021-03-15 20.00 UTC

Attendees


Apologies

Objectives

Discuss and make progress on these issues:

  • Scale observables

Discussion items

See below.


ItemDescriptionOwnerNotesAction
1Welcome & apologies

Recording accomplished and available below...



2Conflicts of interest
Jim Campbell

None stated by attendees



3Minutes from previous meetingDaniel Karlsson


4Scale Observables
  • Scale/score Observables for anesthesia and clinical medicine
  • The Anesthesia CRG has submitted a paper to the EAG describing some of the problems of SNOMED in relation to modeling of assessment scales (see Modelling of Assessment Scales in SNOMED CT.docx)
  • See attached presentation for discussion this date: "Clinical Scale Scores20210301"
  • Deliverables: 

    1) Anesthesia CRG will proceed with proposing FSN/PT for ASA scale scores as qualifier, including definitions of each value, and proceed with obtaining permission from ASA for publication

  • 2) Anesthesia CRG will proceed with proposing FSN/PT for Mallampati scale scores as qualifiers, including definitions of each value, and proceed with obtaining permission from authoritative source for publication

  • More complicated use case of Glasgow Coma Scale was discussed briefly to prepare for detailed discussion next meeting.

  • Deliverable:  3) Meeting attendees to consider special use case of supporting calculations for Glasgow Coma Scale Total Score from three Ordinal component scores for discussion next meeting


5

Settables

The issue of representation of target observables has been raised again in a Jira ticket.

The question the group needs to answer is whether targets and observables need to be seperated or to be kept apart. In practice, is there a requirement to query for both observables and "settings" alternatively is there a risk in having targets and observations mixed up?

One solution would be to (minimally) add a primitive parent "setting observable" (or just "setting") to all targets, settings, parameters, etc. in the current observables hierarchy.

2020-09-21:

Suzanne Santamaria shared with the nutrition group, will share with Jim Case

2020-11-16:

Release of content postponed to July 2021.

2020-12-14:

If time permits, go through comments from Jim Case.

See this page

2021-02-08:

"Parameter" is a better name for the super concept of all observables determined by decision.

Proposed definition "A parameter is an entity whose value is determined by decision of an agent as opposed being observed in reality. Examples of settings are goals or targets, equipment settings, and treatment parameters"

Subtypes of | Parameter | will be added including Goal/Target, Device setting etc.

Reusing 252116004 | Observation parameter (observable entity) | might be risky as it might already be in use plus we could at the meeting not determine its meaning.


6E2O

7Next meeting

Next meeting is 2021-04-22 12.00-15.00 UTC - Business meeting

Items (proposed):

  • E2O
  • Editorial guide
  • Settables
  • Scale observables




Meeting Files

  File Modified
Microsoft Powerpoint Presentation Clinical Scale Scores20210301.pptx 2021-Mar-15 by Daniel Karlsson
Microsoft Word Document Modelling of Assessment Scales in SNOMED CT.docx 2021-Mar-15 by Daniel Karlsson
Microsoft Word Document References Modeling Assessment Scales in SNOMED CT v2.docx 2021-Mar-15 by Daniel Karlsson
Microsoft Word Document GCS notes S.Dain.docx 2021-Mar-15 by Daniel Karlsson
Microsoft Word Document GCS & Mallampati qualifier scale values terms.docx 2021-Mar-15 by Daniel Karlsson

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