Goals
- Expand the use of the ECL language
- Make ECL expansion consistent on well known FHIR Terminology Servers
- Consider requirements for the maintenance of ECL and postcoordinated expressions
Attendees
- Chair: Kai Kewley
- Attendees:
- Staff: Katharine Priest , Anne Randorff Højen Alejandro Lopez Osornio
- Apologies:
Next Time:
- URIs for postcoordinated expressions?
- A way for termionlogy servers to warn of a partial expression validation implementation?
Agenda and Meeting Notes
Description | Owner | Notes |
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Welcome and agenda | All | |
ECL 2.2 Check | ECL 2.2 - published Has anyone implemented this?
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Expanding the use of the ECL standard | All | ECL Lite Review draft specification updates: Previous discussion: How to make it easier to add an ECL capability to more tooling?
ECL Lite - MVP Scope:
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ECL Maintenance Recommendations | All | We plan to add a "Maintenance Recommendations" page to the ECL guide. Jeremy Rogers has drafted some content on this topic. Kai Kewley to share document open for comments + B2i expo video. Sections to consider adding:
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MRCM on FHIR | All | There is a growing desire to enable access to the SNOMED CT Machine Readable Concept Model via FHIR Terminology Servers. Use cases:
How could this work?
Other option was considered but rejected because of demand of TS implementation complexity
New implicit URIs? Consider supporting a reverse lookup - given a focus concept, which attributes can this be used within. |
Postcoordination Guide + Reference Implementation Feedback | Very little feedback received so far. An education module could be a way to expose more people to the caveats and best practises. | |
Expression Repository Maintenance | All | - Aim to round off the guidance - make expression repositories feasible - An expression repository uses a specific edition and version of SNOMED CT - how can expressions be migrated to a new version? Use cases of expressions:
Potential issues when upgrading the substrate of an expression repository
Use cases for an expression repository, how are these impacted over time as the substrate changes.
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ECL Results - TS consistency | Testing consistency between Snowray (Snow Owl), Ontoserver, Snowstorm. Also using custom made NHS Subset maintenance tool, would like to migrate to a standardised solution. Questions:
ML: Some observations: it is interesting to see the number of examples that are querying against terms – the results are not surprising since 1., this is a relatively new part of the spec, and 2., it steps outside the original conception of ECL as a query language that only used defining aspects of concepts as supported by the Concept and Relationship tables. | |
Other Topics | All |
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The items below are currently on hold | ||
Meds ECL Requirement | RequirementRequirement to select a substance or a modification of that substance .... use case: during authoring to prompt the user with all the active ingredient options. Author/modeller chooses a drug and wants to refine the selection using modification-of substances.
BackgroundThe modification-of attribute is a transitive property in OWL. Transitive properties have a similar characteristic to an is-a relationships but without stating a subtype relationship. In SNOMED CT an OWL property chains are used to help organise the hierarchy, allowing products with modified substance to be subsumed into concept groupers defined using the base substance. However in this case the base substance should not be inherited into the product with the modified substance. The base (not modified) version of the substance is found as redundant and removed during NNF calculation. See OWL Guide: 2.5. Generating Necessary Normal Form Relationships from the OWL Refsets Example property chain: "|Has active ingredient| o |Is modification of|" is a sub-property of "|Has active ingredient|". Example hierarchy: Parent Child Because And Property Chain:
.. which results in OWL seeing the non modified ingredient as a property of the concept for the purpose of subsumption. Finally
This could be used by the ECL engines. Solution Options:
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SNOMED OWL Query Engine | Jeremy and all |
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