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Date

02/17/2017

 1900-2100 UTC 

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SNOMED Int'l Editorial Advisory group  

Fri, Feb 17, 2017 11:00 AM - 1:00 PM PST

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Objectives

  • Obtain consensus on agenda items

Discussion items

ItemDescriptionOwnerNotesAction
1Call to order and role callJCA

Paul Amos communicated that he would not be able to make the call.

 

2Conflicts of interestJCANone. 
3Approval of minutes from 01/20/2017JCAAs of the start of the meeting quorum did not exist. Could not approve.

 

4Drug Model deliverable reviewTMO

Drug Model Editorial Guide

Received 51 comments from six countries on the initial draft of the editorial guidelines for modeling and terming drugs. All issues identified were resolved or deferred.

Second iteration of guidelines released in early March.

 

5Substance redesign document reviewJCA/TMO

Substance hierarchy redesign

Substance disposition proposal (see attached document)

Comments from EAG regarding the proposal were sought.

BGO had a question about the use of the HAS DISPOSITION relationship; where would it be used? JCA stated it would be solely used for substances. WRT to substances associated with allergens, how would these be used when the substance had a disposition other than allergen. A substance has a disposition, whether it is being used in another context or not. Disposition is a defining attribute for substances.

  • Jim Case will prepare a briefing note for the MF to inform them of the proposed changes
6Guidance for creation of new anatomy conceptsJCA

Issue: In some cases, the representation of FINDING SITE at the proper level of granularity requires multiple body structures. E.g.:

The proposal under consideration is:

"If two body structures are needed to fully define the finding site for a condition, then a combined anatomic structure shall be created to represent that body structure."

For example: A new body structure "Bone structure of distal phalanx of great toe (body structure)" would be created to support the modeling of the concept above.

Discussion: PAM supported this approach by email. BGO supports this change as well. YGA was asked about his support and he also supported the new guidance.

  • Jim Case will send a edit to the Editorial guide editor to get this guidance implemented.
7Editorial guidance on role groupingJCA

Create a table of mandatory grouping of relationships.  Rationale – needed for template based authoring, provides internal consistency of model patterns, allows for batch editing due to consistency.

See initial review from Daniel Karlsson and Yongshen Gao

The grouping patterns are currently being defined in the groups of templates, but there has been no general guidance for how relationships should/must be grouped. This would define mandatory grouping as well as addressing exceptions to grouping in particular subhierarchies. These would provide guidance for the templates being created.

This is project that is currently not resourced, but will be put on the list of needed edits for the revision of the editorial guide.

  • Jim Case will address this when the technical writer comes on board to begin the comprehensive editorial guide review.
8"X in remission"JCA

Existing tracker: "In remission" disorders

Hold over item from initial meeting in Uruguay. Has been brought up again with a large number of requests for addition of "X in remission" concepts.

Existing Inception document: Modeling "disease in remission"

Document definition: "The period in the course of a disease/condition during which there is temporary lessening or abatement of signs and/or symptoms of the disease."

Based on historical view of "Disease in remission" there are some assumptions:

  1. The disease condition is still present.
  2. The disease is chronic and/or progressive

Prior proposals:

  • Model as situations with the reactivation of 278174000 | Disease phase (attribute) | with allowed values >303105007 | Disease phases (qualifier value) | with necessary changes to this set to align with standard representation of disease phases
  • Leave the concepts in the disorder hierarchy and create a new attribute such as disease activity and include as its range, qualifier values that specifically represent disease activities such as remission, recurrent, relapsing, active, relapsing/remitting, etc.
  • Model disorder X in remission as a child of disorder X and a child of disorder in remission (the latter as a replacement for patient in remission).
  • Extend the set of values under "Courses" to include disease phases and model "Disease in remission" as a subtype of "Disease"

One related issue is the current overlap of concepts under "Courses" and "Disease phases".

Challenge is that disease phases differ with the "type" of disease.

  • Infectious disease
  • Malignant disease
  • Mental and behavioral disorders

Question: Pros and cons of creating type specific phases?

The result of this discussion should be extensible to other patterns of "Disease in X" (e.g. latent disease, relapse, etc.) for which there are several CRS requests outstanding.

Related issue: IHTSDO-407 Frequencies and Courses

Discussion:

BGO reviewed the document and asked about the relationship of remission to "disposition". He sees overlap between those notions. Favors making disease in remission as a subtype of the disease. Also favored a separate "disease in remission" hierarchy (primitive parent). Needs additional discussion in London

  • Jim Case A summary of the options for "Disease in remission" from the Inception document and the pros and cons for each including modeling examples will be developed for additional review.
9Extension of range of SPECIMEN SUBSTANCE to physical objectJCA

Initially discussed in Uruguay, postponed to future meeting

Existing tracker item: IHTSDO-604 Extend the range of "Specimen substance"

Use cases:

  • Physical object as a specimen for environmental and epidemiologcal testing
  • Pharmaceutical/biological products as specimens for sterility and quality assurance

Earlier discussion points:

  • "Device specimen" already allowed and fully defined but uses SPECIMEN SOURCE IDENTITY as the defining relationship. This scenario may work if the range for SPECIMEN SOURCE IDENTITY is extended to Physical object (<)
 
10ECE UpdateBGO

Update on ongoing issues with ECE

 

 

11Aligning SNOMED CT with clinical use casesKCA/JCACarried over from past meetings: High level discussion on whether SNOMED CT is appropriately organized to support the highly variable granularity of content the are influenced by current EHR applications (i.e. single code recording of pre-coordinated content) and newer initiatives that are focused on capturing more structured data (e.g. CIMI, FHIR) 
12Next meetingEAG  

 

 

 

 

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