Date: 2021-01-
xx27
Time:
18001830- 2000 UTC
10001030-1200 PDT
Zoom Meeting Details
Hi there,
Jim Case is inviting you to a scheduled SNOMED International Zoom meeting.
Topic: SNOMED International Editorial Advisory Group Conference Call
EAG Conference Call
Time: Jan 27, 2021 10:30 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada)
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Objectives
- Obtain consensus on agenda items
Discussion items
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1 | Call to order and role call | Start recording! | ||||||||||||||
2 | Conflicts of interest and agenda review | No conflicts noted | ||||||||||||||
Summary of poisoning, overdose and intoxication | Information only: Please see the updated definition (+ agreed upon proximal primitive parents and modelling considerations) and summary of discussion on each topic: 1) Definition and proximal primitive parent:
2) Allowed attributes (all optional, additional attributes may become required once the review and content update is underway):
Summary of discussion:
Discussion 2020-01-27: The EAG members identified issues with concepts referring to "unintentional intent" as it was hard to know how that determination was made (e.g. not asked, patient unable to respond, patient would not answer) and so it did not add any new information over and above the agnostic parent concept. KCA: (with regard to concepts of "unintentional intent") It is adding no information beyond the parent, so they are duplicates. | |||||||||||||||
Modeling "without" concepts | Yongsheng Gao | Options for modeling concepts containing the term "without" in the absence of negation in the DL profile. Prior discussions suggested that these terms may have clinical utility and should be retained in spite of their limitations. The CMAG has been asked to provide usage data to see if they are of actual use. Discussion: Suggestions have been made to allow for additional DL properties by Alejandro Lopez Osornio or to create a new attribute by Yongsheng Gao. What does without mean? Is it truly logical negation? There are two meanings, one is not A, but the other is A without B. KCA: Support that “without” does not mean logical negation, it is rather an absence of a measurable/observable thing. | ||||||||||||||
Evaluation to Observables (E2O project) update | James R. Campbell | Current status of project to coalesce evaluation procedures and Observable entities Attachment summarizing project added: Migration of Evaluation Procedures to Observables Inception-Elaboration.docx Discussion: Looking at common laboratory procedures. Around 7,000 measurement concepts are being looked at (those with "Measurement - action") . A template is being developed to allow for an automated or batch process to convert existing evaluation procedures to Observable entities. | ||||||||||||||
ECE Topics | Bruce Goldberg |
| Poisoning, drug overdose, toxic effect - definitions for remodeling | Please see a preliminary review by Toni and I related to our work for identifying and modelling concepts that are defined by substance vs. medicinal product: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vtklSC3noLnLdQagDt4efbGawq5xp1XwnwPN0Zx_cu4/edit#gid=0 Our focus has been on "Poisoning", and its existing synonyms: toxic effect and intoxication, and "Overdose" (highlighted in green). The suggested modelings and definitions may need changes/additional refinements in future when the broad scope of the associated ticket, See "Poisoning and Overdose" presentation above. We would appreciate any feedback you can provide on the proposed definitions before or during the EAG call on December 15, 2020. |
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Glascow coma score and assessment scale components | Based on a discussion at the Anesthesia CRG there is a requirement to add more content to express Glasgow coma scores. Please see full discussion here: https://confluence.ihtsdotools.org/display/ACRGT/Glasgow+Coma+Score References to Standarization of the GCS: https://zibs.nl/wiki/GlasgowComaScale-v3.2(2020EN) https://ckm.openehr.org/ckm/archetypes/1013.1.137/printable https://www.glasgowcomascale.org/ Draft document from Anesthesia CRG: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lZJlarREeIIRPk5E1zVtZUktLQlPH3G5/view?usp=sharing Attachment added summarizing Assessment Scale Score Observables development with Observables Project and Deployment at Nebraska: Clinical Scale Scores_20210121.pptx |
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Next meeting | EAG | Does the fourth Wednesday of the month at 10:30 for 90 minutes work for members. Discussion: Yes... | ECE topics | Bruce Goldberg | Proposed revision to model for contact dermatitis | Next meeting | EAG | Discussion: | ||||||||