Observable and Investigation Model Project

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2016-09-19 20.00 UTC

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1Welcome & apologies
Daniel Karlsson
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2Conflicts of interest
Daniel Karlsson
None stated!  
3Previous minutes & action items
Daniel Karlsson
   
4Reuse of attributes

Daniel Karlsson

Suzanne Santamaria

Farzaneh Ashrafi

  • Discussion with IHTSDO technical/implementation staff
  • MRCM draft has the capability to allow reuse without grouping issues
  
5

LOINC - SNOMED CT cooperation

Suzanne Santamaria

Farzaneh Ashrafi

 

 

 
6Functioning

 

 
7PresenceDavid Sperzel
  • Continue discussion from last meeting
  • See presentation attached
  • Modeled examples of Observation results
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8Vital signs

Suzanne Santamaria

Farzaneh Ashrafi

Daniel Karlsson

  
9Wellington meeting
Daniel Karlsson
  • 1.5 full day requested
  • 1 full day joint with IPaLM
  • Items for discussion (proposal)
    • SNOMED CT-LOINC cooperation
    • (Functioning)
    • Cancer checklist observables
    • Vital signs
    • Presence
    • ...

 

 
10Next meeting
Daniel Karlsson

Next meeting is Oct 3 20.00 UTC

 

 
11AOB
Daniel Karlsson
   

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Microsoft Powerpoint Presentation StakeholderEngagementForPresenceProject.pptx 2016-Sep-17 by David Sperzel

 

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5 Comments

  1. Xavier GANSEL

    I am not skilled enough to give a good answer to the questions raised during last meeting by the slides of David Sperzel.

    Nevertheless I understand the proposal

    • as going in one of direction SNOMED probably has to go : make a link or rework SNOMED so that the ontology reuses the standard top level ontologies.
    • As a response to several remarks made by Barry Smith.

     

    I would like to suggest that the group ask input to Stefan Schulz. He is likely to be one of the best skilled member in the domain.

    May be we could also ask for some external advice to Barry Smith too. Of course this may create discussion / comparison with OGMS.

    But having input / help form those 2 leaders will certainly be very valuable.

  2. Daniel Karlsson

    The top level ontologies were discussed when the model was developed, and were used to influence the model, and there is an BioTop-to-Observables bridge developed in cooperation with Stefan Schulz.

    OGMS does not (signifcantly) overlap with the Observables model (and possibly presence is an area where the relationship is particularly unclear). I've talked to Barry (a tiny bit) about an ontology of health care observation and he realized the lack of any such work in the OBO community, e.g. the Ontology of Biomedical Inverstigation is geared towards research observations (I've discussed this non-overlap with Bjorn Peters). Also, Jim Campbell presented the Nebraska work using the Observables model at the ICBO meeting this week and directed Barry towards the Observables project. Stefan Schulz used to be active in the project but has not participated the last year, but I'm sure he would help if asked. So chances are we will get feedback from both in the near future.

    Thanks,
    Daniel 

  3. David Sperzel

    I completely agree that it would be very useful to get as much input from Stefan Schulz and Barry Smith as they are willing to provide. Much of the information in my slides is based on publications from these two authors, but it's certainly possible that I got some things wrong. Whatever SNOMED CT ends up doing about representing observation results in the long run, I think we want to be sure that neither of these two experts considers it to be incorrect from a formal ontological standpoint.

  4. David Sperzel

    I have uploaded a revised version of the slides. This version contains some modeling examples, as Rob kindly suggested.

  5. Scott Campbell

    Jim Campbell recently presented the concepts of an observables ontology at Barry Smith's recent conference.  I do suggest discussion with Jim before making any commitments/requests for information until you have had a chance to gets Jim's input.